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Colin Unger
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« on: December 15, 2009, 10:25:51 AM »

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=2340684&p=1

This dolt can be emailed at miketaube@yahoo.com
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 12:22:50 PM »

The guy is a moron... I found it more laughable than enfuriating.

There are so many illogical conclusions and uneducated arguments that it's not even worth responding, and shame on the Globe for publishing such tripe.  I won't give them, or him, the satisfaction of a response to the nonsensical ramblings he passes off as arguments.

Only four possible combinations of plays for a CFL drive... that is of course, if you take first downs out of the game?  Offence entertaining, but defence is reflective of quality?  Utter BS.  No understanding of the intent of the rouge or the history behind it and certainly no mention of the fair catch or 45 second play clocks that the NFL employs.

Looking at his resume as a former speechwriter for Harper, it's easy to see why the comments he makes actually mean nothing.  Just another politico wannabe talking to hear his own voice.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 01:24:19 PM »

You e-mail this guy and he wins. He's trolling. He admits it in the last line.

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 01:26:30 PM »

He makes me soooo mad!

The NFL is an international product??  Please... Didn't the NFL Europe fail miserably!!!  I just want to punch this guy Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 02:07:01 PM »

Well I will give him credit for at least not defining the rouge as a point for failing to make a FG as most Canadian football rules detractors resort to.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 06:21:50 PM »

In one paragraph he manages to make CFL and NFL fan shake their heads.
It was that bad.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 06:40:31 AM »



  No understanding of the intent of the rouge or the history behind it and certainly no mention of the fair catch or 45 second play clocks that the NFL employs.

I believe it's a 40 second clock (there's also the 25 second clock, but it runs from the moment the play ends, whereas the CFL 20 second clock doesn't start until the Head Referee whistles in the play, so it's possible (and I've seen more times than I can count) to have over a minute bleed off the time clock between plays. The only time we get close is in the final three minutes when the referees decide to hurry up play at that time, but even then it's still more like 30-40 seconds between plays.

I would prefer that the CFL start the 20 second clock as soon as the referees and sideline personnel (chain gang) are in position.

I agree that the author of the article is woefully misinformed about the NFL and many of its inferior rules. The extra down is negated by a smaller field, which is over 50% smaller in terms of square yardage when compared to a CFL field (CFL = 150x65 = 9,750 yards squared, NFL = 120x53.3 = 6,400 yards squared, CFL/NFL = 1.52/1).

There are also several other rules. Like GWN mentioned, the fair catch. Also, the fumble rules are ridiculous as well. It's been a while, but if a player fumbles in the final two minutes, he is the only player on his team allowed to advance the ball.

I describe the NFL as a Ferrair engine that's been put inside a bus. It has a lot of power, but it's weighed down by the cumbersome bulk of its rules.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2009, 11:24:38 PM »



  No understanding of the intent of the rouge or the history behind it and certainly no mention of the fair catch or 45 second play clocks that the NFL employs.

I believe it's a 40 second clock (there's also the 25 second clock, but it runs from the moment the play ends, whereas the CFL 20 second clock doesn't start until the Head Referee whistles in the play, so it's possible (and I've seen more times than I can count) to have over a minute bleed off the time clock between plays. The only time we get close is in the final three minutes when the referees decide to hurry up play at that time, but even then it's still more like 30-40 seconds between plays.

I would prefer that the CFL start the 20 second clock as soon as the referees and sideline personnel (chain gang) are in position.

I agree that the author of the article is woefully misinformed about the NFL and many of its inferior rules. The extra down is negated by a smaller field, which is over 50% smaller in terms of square yardage when compared to a CFL field (CFL = 150x65 = 9,750 yards squared, NFL = 120x53.3 = 6,400 yards squared, CFL/NFL = 1.52/1).

There are also several other rules. Like GWN mentioned, the fair catch. Also, the fumble rules are ridiculous as well. It's been a while, but if a player fumbles in the final two minutes, he is the only player on his team allowed to advance the ball.

I describe the NFL as a Ferrair engine that's been put inside a bus. It has a lot of power, but it's weighed down by the cumbersome bulk of its rules.

I'm prepared to be struck down by this but, while I appreciate the 20 second clock as a contributer to the CFL's fast style of play, it's also the indirect subject of many of the leagues detractors.

Because you only have 20 seconds between plays, typically audible packages in the CFL are very simple and quite frankly you don't see a lot of audibles from the line because there just isn't enough time to change the play and get everyone in the proper position.  And OFTEN when a team does try to audible they're usually hit with a timecount or take a timeout to avoid one.

That's where many of the "simple strategy" arguments come from.  And while I'd hate to see the CFL game "slow down" or change I don't neccessarily disagree with those arguments.

I don't know what the perfect answer is but I do see it as something the league needs to solve.

You watch a "Peyton Manning" type of QB in the NFL where 90% of what he does is pre-snap reads and changing the play to beat it and their offence is very much a THINKING MAN'S OFFENCE.  And this is coming from someone who can't stand the NFL.  I haven't watched a game yet this year.  Not one.

But, to me calling audibles in the NFL is what seperates the great qb's from the average ones.  Many of the QB's in the NFL are already smarter than their offensive coordinators.

In the CFL, most of the QB's are simply good athletes capable of executing a play that's been dictated to them.  Most of the thinking has been taken out of it for them.

I'd like to see the league find a way to allow QB's to read defences and and use their knowledge to change the outcome of the game pre-snap more often in the CFL.  Now, it's more about an offensive coordinator calling a play based on the opponents tendancy's shown earlier  and hoping their play happens to match up well with the defences current package.  That's certainly a huge part of strategizing in any football game but, the ability to have your QB realize that the defence isn't in the formation that the O's called play is designed to beat and change it to one that is, would be something that would change our game for the better and quite frankly put a lot of the less cerebral QB's in the CFL out of work in a really big hurry.

Of the current starters... I'm not sure BC's current QB situation would good.  None of their guys strike me as cerebral QB's.  They're all just good athletes.

Edmonton would be fine with Ray.  Calgary would be fine with Hank.  I think we'd be ok with Durant although he'd definately be still learning that part of the game.  Winnipeg would be hooped.  Toronto... hooped.  Hamilton... ok with Glenn, not with Porter and Montreal would be MUCH better if Cavillo had this tool available to them.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2009, 06:39:24 AM »

But you DON'T have 20 seconds between plays! It's usually more and often much more!

Go to a game and watch the time clock. Check the time when the play ends. Watch when the 20 second clock is whistled in and watch when the play starts. You'll see that there is more than 20 seconds between plays and often more than 40 seconds.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2009, 05:07:03 PM »

I agree with your points Pauz... but there's little more unsatisfying than watching a close NFL game decided by watching players walking off the field as the final 38 seconds tick off the clock.  Yes, the rules are applied equally to both teams, but as someone who's not a died-in-the-wool NFL purist, I'd love to see some change made to the clock management system to avoid those kind of endings.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2009, 08:41:59 PM »

IMO

There's nothing in football more boring than an NFL game when the team with the lead runs out the clock.

There's nothing in football more exciting than when the team that's behind has to fight down the field and truly also fight the clock as well.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2009, 09:08:57 PM »

I was in Minneapolis for a game last season and out of curiousity watched the game clock several times. It starts immediately after the previous play ends. I watched the officials to figure out if it was a CFL game when would the 20 second clock start. On most plays I figured the NFL clock was already down to around 25 seconds by about the time I figured a CFL official would whistle in the start of the 20 second clock. So while NFL detractors point to the 20 vs 40 second clock as a big difference the reality is the NFL QB maybe gets a 5 second advantage.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2009, 06:30:55 AM »

You'll see quite the difference depending on who is refereeing a CFL game.

Glen Johnson tends to hurry things along while others sometimes take more time, but they all tend to hurry things up in the final three minutes of a half.
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2009, 02:02:31 PM »

I was in Minneapolis for a game last season and out of curiousity watched the game clock several times. It starts immediately after the previous play ends. I watched the officials to figure out if it was a CFL game when would the 20 second clock start. On most plays I figured the NFL clock was already down to around 25 seconds by about the time I figured a CFL official would whistle in the start of the 20 second clock. So while NFL detractors point to the 20 vs 40 second clock as a big difference the reality is the NFL QB maybe gets a 5 second advantage.

The QB advantage isn't what I see as the detractor... the ability to run time off of the clock at the end of the 2nd or 4th quarter is what detracts in my mind.  In the CFL, even if a team has no timeouts left, 44 seconds left on the clock is still time for a drive from your own side of half... in the NFL, you're walking off the field as the clock runs down.
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2009, 03:53:44 PM »

I was in Minneapolis for a game last season and out of curiousity watched the game clock several times. It starts immediately after the previous play ends. I watched the officials to figure out if it was a CFL game when would the 20 second clock start. On most plays I figured the NFL clock was already down to around 25 seconds by about the time I figured a CFL official would whistle in the start of the 20 second clock. So while NFL detractors point to the 20 vs 40 second clock as a big difference the reality is the NFL QB maybe gets a 5 second advantage.

The QB advantage isn't what I see as the detractor... the ability to run time off of the clock at the end of the 2nd or 4th quarter is what detracts in my mind.  In the CFL, even if a team has no timeouts left, 44 seconds left on the clock is still time for a drive from your own side of half... in the NFL, you're walking off the field as the clock runs down.

And a team lost a chance at winning the Super Bowl because, even though a player was downed near the goal line, time continued running for the final second or two that was left after the tackle was completed.
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