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« on: November 17, 2009, 02:11:11 PM »

http://www.calgarysun.com/sports/football/2009/11/17/11772006-sun.html

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"We're also significantly over the salary cap. When you're a quarter-million over the cap before you give a player a raise, decisions have to be made. The dollars just don't add up."

I assume he is referring to being over next year?

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2009, 11:38:24 PM »

Within the broader context (conveniently not quoted I see Smiley), Maciocia was also referring to them having  70 players around with the training camp roster being limited to 68.

I noted 10 players on the 9-game IR going into the final regular season game.

There will likely be some no-brainers (Garrick Jones, Anthony Malbrough), some tougher decisions (Jesse Lumsden, Adam Braidwood) and a number of others that will be somewhat dependent on the philosophy of the club... contending for the home-town 2010 Grey Cup or building with an eye a little more toward the future.

An article today suggested that impending free agents Patrick Kabongo and Kai Ellis are close to re-signing, leaving only Byron Parker with the potential to go to the market.  Import OL, Calvin Armstrong, is expected to draw some NFL interest in his option year, but otherwise, the Esks will be holding the cards and in good position after grading out their personnel to figure out who they bring back.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 03:54:50 AM »

Within the broader context (conveniently not quoted I see Smiley), Maciocia was also referring to them having  70 players around with the training camp roster being limited to 68.

I noted 10 players on the 9-game IR going into the final regular season game.

There will likely be some no-brainers (Garrick Jones, Anthony Malbrough), some tougher decisions (Jesse Lumsden, Adam Braidwood) and a number of others that will be somewhat dependent on the philosophy of the club... contending for the home-town 2010 Grey Cup or building with an eye a little more toward the future.

An article today suggested that impending free agents Patrick Kabongo and Kai Ellis are close to re-signing, leaving only Byron Parker with the potential to go to the market.  Import OL, Calvin Armstrong, is expected to draw some NFL interest in his option year, but otherwise, the Esks will be holding the cards and in good position after grading out their personnel to figure out who they bring back.

It wasn't left out due to "convenience". The 9-gamers don't count to the SMS. It goes without saying that since there only is a 46-man roster (plus the DR), that changes will need to be made.

Just seeing this article, my first question is, is he referring to next year when he is saying, "We're also significantly over the salary cap.".

If he is referring to next year, the next question is then (based on your comments above), is the $250K over based on the 70-man roster you cite, or a 46-man roster?
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 11:03:59 AM »

I think it's referring to next year's estimated costs. Probably taking into account the guys that will be off the 9-game list and their replacements.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 01:32:21 PM »

I think it's referring to next year's estimated costs. Probably taking into account the guys that will be off the 9-game list and their replacements.

Maybe I don't see what the concern is then. Of course many of the guys will be gone as team only have a 46-man roster plus the DL that counts towards the salary cap. Why even say, "We are over the cap," at all because 20 of those guys won't be there next year?
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2009, 05:20:38 PM »

It wasn't left out due to "convenience". The 9-gamers don't count to the SMS.

If anything the 9 gamers usually help a team's SMS situation as the injured player, if a starter, is almost always more expensive than his replacement.
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2009, 08:33:43 PM »

It wasn't left out due to "convenience". The 9-gamers don't count to the SMS. It goes without saying that since there only is a 46-man roster (plus the DR), that changes will need to be made.

Just seeing this article, my first question is, is he referring to next year when he is saying, "We're also significantly over the salary cap.".

If he is referring to next year, the next question is then (based on your comments above), is the $250K over based on the 70-man roster you cite, or a 46-man roster?

Sorry Dave, I figured the interpretation of it being next year's figure was a natural and that you were going with a tongue in cheek subject line.  I didn't realize that you were actually seeking clarity on it.

The point of bringing it up now is probably rooted in a couple of different premises IMO.

1) Demonstrating the commitment the team was showing to continue to compete in the face of injuries.  Maciocia and Eskimo management have been lightning rods for public criticism by the great unwashed that don't have any patience for building towards something over a few seasons.

2) Setting up some veterans for the idea that they may be asked to consider paycuts in order to retain some of the talent that was brought in

3) Preparing some others for not being asked back and letting them know that, at least in part, it's financially based rather than performance or fit.

What will remain to be seen is whether the Esks were actually over this year.  As Hambone points out, the long-term injuries actually can work favourably wrt the SMS, as not only are replacements generally cheaper, but they're also less likely to have incentive clauses and bonuses kicking in for either the injured or the replacement.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 06:26:09 AM »

Thanks Paul. I was looking for clarity from someone closer to the situation than us on the interweb. I found his use of present tense curious, "We are over the cap,", not "We would be over the cap next year."

Agree on the intentions of the comments, it's no different than Tillman a couple of years ago with comments that the 'Riders needed to shave $600K of payroll.

Able to make the trip over the mountains to Calgyra next week?

I changed my flight to Calgyra for Grey Cup to leave earlier and arrive at a different city, so I'm flying into Regina tomorrow for the West Final (last playoff game I went to in Regina was 1976) and then to Calgyra on Thursday.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2009, 11:19:47 AM »

Arrive in Calgary next Thursday afternoon... and looking forward to cheering for any team that can put an end to any "dynasty" talk coming from the Stampeder locker room.
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